Posted by Fiiiyer on August 19, 2004 at 10:23:30:
In Reply to: And this time, I'll argue the other side, just to prove to Jeff I am still saved. posted by PS on August 18, 2004 at 20:28:51:
I guess I get caught up in all the hype...and I am an avid defender of those who really dont' ask for defense...nuff said.
Thanks for the reality check PS
~N~
: Hmmm... you certainly have the ACLU anti-Christian dialogue down pat. ;-)
: The key to the separation of church and state is not to prohibit expression; it is to prohibit coercion and forced adherence to a particular religious tradition imposed by government. A statue hardly qualifies as such coercion. Regarding the "government" property -- it is the county government, correct? When the federal government (a U. S. district judge here) tells the states, counties, or cities what they can and can not display, they are way over the line of "separation." What do the residents here want? If the monument was erected and maintained for 50 years without a serious issue, until an outside watchdog group got involved, that pretty much says it all.
: A little history will show that the activists here oppose many public expressions of Christianity that are not government-related at all. This movement is about restricting "public" expression-- which is the opposite of what the forefathers intended. They believed that all should be able to express their religious views without the interference of the government promoting or censuring a particular religious tradition. If a statue were removed because it depicted two gay men embracing, the sides would immediately reverse, and the issue would now be about "free speech and expression." The Christians would claim that the statue was promoting and endorsing an opposing religious tradition (to be against Judeo-Christian morality IS a religious stance), just as the ACLU-ites now are. This is not an objective issue at all; it is about specific subjective agendas, and neither side is consistent as a champion of "separation" or "free speech." Clearly the specific history of complaints by the ACLU-style groups will show that this issue is primarily about Christianity and Christian morality, not religion per se.
: Finally, the idea that any "Christian" art, monument, or historical exhibit that is displayed somehow precludes fair and impartial judgment is a bit extreme, don't you think?
: Oh well, I have to go oppress some religious minorities in the name of Christ. ;-)